tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post3400306185263131898..comments2023-12-16T02:44:20.427-06:00Comments on Reginald Shepherd's Blog: Ann Lauterbach on Schools, Movements, and Poetic IdentitiesReginald Shepherdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11965170916626482963noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-73395697344039760752010-12-15T23:29:24.019-06:002010-12-15T23:29:24.019-06:00徵信社
徵信<a href="http://www.find007.com.tw" rel="nofollow">徵信社</a><br /><a href="http://www.find007.com.tw" rel="nofollow">徵信</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-35327892074809222762007-08-14T20:41:00.000-06:002007-08-14T20:41:00.000-06:00Dear Alan,I'm not sure that a literary community c...Dear Alan,<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure that a literary community can be a commodity, but I definitely see how it can become a brand, marketing a trademark style to an audience expecting a certain kind of poetic "product." Obviously this phenomenon occurs with both "mainstream" poets and with "avant-garde" poets. Critic Vernon Shetley has written in the Irish journal Metre of "a poetry world where each poet seems compelled to enhance his or her brand recognition with an easily recognizable gimmick."<BR/><BR/>Dear Lee,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comment, and thanks as well for your kind words about Othehood. I think that Lauterbach was primarily referring to younger or beginning poets who feel compelled to take a side, to position themselves, in a poetry world that can appear to be solely made up of mutually exclusive, not to say antagonistic, camps or clubs. And there are of course practical consequences in terms of recognition for not fitting into a category or a group, as those are so often used as a convenient shorthand method for bestowing attention on writers. Writers who are not so easily labeled tend too often to be ignored or at least under-read.<BR/><BR/>Take good care, and thanks for reading.<BR/><BR/>peace and poetry,<BR/><BR/>ReginaldReginald Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11965170916626482963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-48610518124603005312007-08-13T21:27:00.000-06:002007-08-13T21:27:00.000-06:00Bravo, Reginald. I appreciate what you're saying ...Bravo, Reginald. <BR/><BR/>I appreciate what you're saying here. The energy expended to sustain such exclusionary clubs must be exhausting. I agree with your views here & with most of Lauterbach's as well, except for her statement that those who are excluded are "often...embittered or confused," which places the 'excluded' in the passive & dependent role, which often is not the case. Frequently, that person is neither bitter or confused, but rather, pleasantly enjoying his or her own position (whatever it may be) outside of such groupings ---a very conscious decision--- & he or she is perhaps thinking about art or poetry (imagine that!), having little interest in territory wars or the posturing that occupies so many folks' energies. Yes, one should stand up for himself or herself, but often the "discussions" become much too personal, much too quickly, with (as you've mentioned) very little knowledge of the person's work who is being rolled through the muck. who needs it? (& yes, I agree that it's more pronounced in the blogs).<BR/><BR/>by the way, I bought <I>Otherhood</I>. I'm enjoying it very much.Lee Herrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13989557906560291595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-62081640026622957372007-07-17T23:19:00.000-06:002007-07-17T23:19:00.000-06:00I too am delighted to have found this intelligent ...I too am delighted to have found this intelligent blog. I've been blogging for over four years at various sites and have my own blog, but this promises to stimulate my intellect (and creative juices) more than most.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-76994422102493087492007-07-11T11:08:00.000-06:002007-07-11T11:08:00.000-06:00Though I am not a "Language" poet,there is at Buff...Though I am not a "Language" poet,<BR/>there is at Buffalo's EPC an essay<BR/>by Marjorie Perloff wherein she<BR/><I>does</I> "contend with the<BR/>specific differences" evident in<BR/>locality-based works written by<BR/>two so-called "Language" poets. A<BR/> Language Poetry Lyric Subject<BR/>search brings back a link to it.brian (baj) salcherthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11649691450577647656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-51026947582563859842007-07-11T03:52:00.000-06:002007-07-11T03:52:00.000-06:00Just wanted to say how absolutely delighted I am t...Just wanted to say how absolutely delighted I am to have found this blog...Buffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01529901414066479088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-15181135065581814942007-07-09T12:43:00.000-06:002007-07-09T12:43:00.000-06:00Hi Reginald,I posted a brief response to this post...Hi Reginald,<BR/><BR/>I posted a brief response to this post over at my blog.<BR/><BR/>best,<BR/>HenryHenry Gouldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06763188178644726622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-71548767535938227242007-07-08T20:11:00.000-06:002007-07-08T20:11:00.000-06:00A literary movement can become a commodity, or at ...A literary movement can become a commodity, or at least a brand, to the extent that what its members produce is purchased by a definable group of people. In the case of poetry production, that group may well be each other, within or hovering on the fringes of that movement.<BR/><BR/>But what a horrible idea, "poetry production." I suppose in today's literary climate in which being a successful poet means being employed primarily because one is a poet-that is, paid to be an academic poet instead of having an ordinary life and writing from that experience-it's a natural term.<BR/><BR/>As for writing from a group identity rather than an individual identity, doing so generates a certain level of safety, protection, and what I am fond of calling an uncompromising commitment to adequacy. This is hivewriting: the hum is constant and the result a good nap. <BR/><BR/>What it never does is produce excellence. However, in that it matches our American society. We live in an age that is threatened by excellence, resists it, especially in education, and thinks any kind of clear statement of position contrary to the way the bulls are running is socially damaging (to the speaker) and unprofessional.<BR/><BR/>The great American essayist John Jay Chapman, who always knew bull on sight and which way it was running, wrote of the "general cowardice" of the age (this in 1900) and recommended a dose of truth thus:<BR/><BR/>"Everybody in America is soft, and hates conflict. The cure for this, both in politics and social life, is the same, hardihood. Give them raw truth. They think they will die. ... The whole problem...is to get people to stop simpering and saying "After You" to cant."<BR/><BR/>Chapman was writing mainly of how people interact in society and government, but the same problem - and the same solution - applies in the fine arts. An astonishing number of poetry's royalty are parading about unclothed but for their crowns. Let us say so instead of mounting up behind them.Alan Contrerashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05151043022057689513noreply@blogger.com