tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post2979375626490055804..comments2023-12-16T02:44:20.427-06:00Comments on Reginald Shepherd's Blog: Defining "Post-Avant-Garde" PoetryReginald Shepherdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11965170916626482963noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-50438842265069734252011-07-30T00:22:24.022-06:002011-07-30T00:22:24.022-06:00I am not really a poetic person, yet, when I came ...I am not really a poetic person, yet, when I came across your post, it seems like I kinda love poetry this time. :-)<br /><a href="http://www.sinanitos.com" rel="nofollow">phentermine 37.5</a>sophiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10002089056435038890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-43972348453989189422011-07-30T00:20:41.423-06:002011-07-30T00:20:41.423-06:00I admit, the time I first landed on this page, I t...I admit, the time I first landed on this page, I thought of a boring post as it is a very long one, but I was wrong, I have learned tons and I wanna thank you.<br />http://womanoftheearth.blogspot.com/2008/09/bioluminescent-bay-in-puerto-rico.htmlsophiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10002089056435038890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-29313404339341447452011-02-18T08:47:39.192-06:002011-02-18T08:47:39.192-06:00Yet you haven't addressed a single one of the ...Yet you haven't addressed a single one of the arguments I made over at the Harriet blog, ie. :<br /><br />1) The post-avant amalgam is based on a faulty theory of poetic language, in which the poem is reductively equated with the verbal medium per se.<br /><br />2) The Chicago critics addressed this problem long ago, and pointed toward an alternative notion of poetics, based on, ve<a href="http://www.agoodic.com" rel="nofollow">cheap electronics</a>blog for steveLihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17264379488083302719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-69940788223613309642010-04-06T09:01:16.693-06:002010-04-06T09:01:16.693-06:00The term was first used by the German cultural cri...The term was first used by the German cultural critic Peter Bürger, <a href="http://www.enterbet.com" rel="nofollow">bet basketball</a> who in his little book, Theory of the Avant-Garde tried to present a statement about the nature and status of avant-garde art at the beginning of the 1970s. His emphasis was on art rather than literature. He was trying to update the great German sociologists of culture of the first half of the Twentieth Century Theodor Adorno and, especially, Walter Benjamin. <a href="http://www.enterbet.com" rel="nofollow">sportsbook</a> Benjamin's The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction is in many ways the model for Bürger's book (and essential reading for anyone interested in Modernist art). <a href="http://www.enterbet.com" rel="nofollow">march madness </a> Bürger sees the great avant-garde movements of the first half (essentially the first quarter) of the Twentieth Century, "the historic avant-garde", as having ended, and ended in failure, in that essential to their project was the transformation not so much of art styles, but of the whole of life.<br /><a href="http://www.enterbet.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.enterbet.com</a>pedro velasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04906868750940934366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-23507513744829086752009-06-13T19:00:46.814-06:002009-06-13T19:00:46.814-06:00I really appreciate your insightful blog about Pos...I really appreciate your insightful blog about Post Avant. As someone who is researching this movement(and poetry in general) for her own knowledge, I have quickly discovered what a firestorm this label can instigate. What I find most interesting is how the movement plays out within the social networking realm--especially Blogspot. I look forward to reading the works you cited--thank you.<br /><br />Regards,<br />AMFamfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03070273186190764830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-86756329474417628342008-03-15T10:37:00.000-06:002008-03-15T10:37:00.000-06:00I"m not sure you could really call these people po...I"m not sure you could really call these people post-avante-garde. (Can only really say the avante garde is a single movement? That makes no sense with the term itself.) If one were to truly look for post-avante-garde poets, wouldn't one look more toward people like Frederick Turner, Frederick Fierstein, and R. S> Gwynn?Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-49701609769160971792008-03-06T22:20:00.000-06:002008-03-06T22:20:00.000-06:00To a "destination" which isan ocean of wonderment ...To a "destination" which is<BR/>an ocean of wonderment where<BR/>every creativity matters,<BR/>however arcane. Not everyone<BR/>gets to be diatomaceous or possess<BR/>the beauty and deadliness of a <BR/>stingray; but a healthy ecology is<BR/>served as well by its lesser known<BR/>members as it is by its most famed<BR/>members. Even if we do not always<BR/>understand each other, either we<BR/>are here <I>for</I> each other or<BR/>we shall hasten the demise of the<BR/>whole because of each other.<BR/>Implicit in this is the scariness<BR/>of trying to force others to <BR/>believe what one's self believes<BR/>as if what one's self believes is<BR/>the only realm of truth and beauty.<BR/>State what you are convinced of,<BR/>but don't insist on it. How was <BR/>it the early Christians impressed<BR/>some of the Romans? By how they<BR/>loved one another. Yet we have<BR/>been enjoined to go beyond that.<BR/>Hard as it may be, we must try to<BR/>love our enemies also. In the <BR/>face of death, poetry opens the<BR/>gates to life.brian (baj) salcherthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11649691450577647656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-71653139642606004802008-03-05T07:38:00.000-06:002008-03-05T07:38:00.000-06:00Kent, I don't think you've read my posts carefully...Kent, I don't think you've read my posts carefully. I know it's not easy to do in these comment-box streams.<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry if my tone seemed cantankerous here. <BR/><BR/>It seems to me that Reginald, in his closing paragraphs above, misreads the substance of some of the arguments which were made in those comments. And then he personalized it with a psychologizing attack on those who questioned his position.<BR/><BR/>The point was not being made that we are still living in the atmosphere of the 50s & 60s. In fact the point being made was just the opposite.<BR/><BR/>I never claimed that the work of the Chicago Critics was my own invention. I don't care what kind of shirts they wore, either. I'm claiming that their insights into poetic form are relevant to the issues raised, having to do with the current and future developments in poetic style.<BR/><BR/>How do the Chi School ideas relate to the NAP poets? I already went over that in my comment posts. My argument was that poetry, in relation to "the big outside" (outside academia, outside in-house solipsism, etc.), should be thought of as a form of action or gesture, which is not really "actualized", as an aesthetic form, until it is "performed", in some sense, in the "gray area" of the common world, the general public sphere. Aesthetic form is not reducible to the verbal construct alone, or the text alone, contra both the New Critics & the post-structuralists.<BR/><BR/>The NAP poets, as standing somewhat outside the New Critical academic consensus about literary form, were making, to some degree anyway, such a public "gesture". <BR/><BR/>I never liked Robert Duncan's poetry.Henry Gouldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06763188178644726622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-62302487078138137892008-03-04T16:02:00.000-06:002008-03-04T16:02:00.000-06:00Henry,Just a couple friendly questions here, as yo...Henry,<BR/><BR/>Just a couple friendly questions here, as your surly three-point "challenge" to Reginald Shepherd seems strangely absent of the nicely hinged HG syllogism. <BR/>Actually, your comment seems positively wacky:<BR/><BR/>You aver with a snarl in #1 that you have made an insistent point at the Poetry Foundation blog about "a faulty theory of poetic language" inherent in "post-avant" poetics, chastising RS for not addressing it here at his own blog. You then follow this with an assertion in #2 that the Chicago Critics have dealt with the whole matter of this faulty theory (decisively, in your view) some, what is it, sixty years ago... <BR/><BR/>My question, then, is why exactly you demand or expect that RS reply fulsomely to your "ignored" and "outsider" point, when it's really not your original point or idea at all, but rather one a group of Professors at the U of Chicago proffered long ago from ivy-covered halls, one which is available for download, and one which is not necessarily any more relevant to RS's post than any number of other theories concerning literary language. Plato could be called in to argue against the "post-avant," as well... (Really, the poets in RS's book do not represent any single philosophy of poetry or language, and some of them, like Forrest Gander or Rosemarie Waldrop, probably know a lot more about poetics than you do, though I grant that you know a lot and can argue your point impressively.) In any case, the ill temper, which betrays a sense of personal insult, seems out of place. <BR/><BR/>And my other question is this: Do you not think there's a bit of irony in your deployment of the venerable, tweedy, pipe-smoking Chicago Critics to promote your new (and surprising!)object of affections, the maudit, anti-academic, acid-popping NAP poets? There's plenty of great poetics that came out of the NAP, and some of it, like Duncan's, for example, you'd probably find to your metaphysical liking.<BR/><BR/>all the best, <BR/><BR/>KentKent Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15233688630151467658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-35038706937683824752008-03-02T20:56:00.000-06:002008-03-02T20:56:00.000-06:00I guess this is the face of the new literary estab...I guess this is the face of the new literary establishment. All tendencies will converge, and only the "jerks" will be left "outside".<BR/><BR/>Yet you haven't addressed a single one of the arguments I made over at the Harriet blog, ie. :<BR/><BR/>1) The post-avant amalgam is based on a faulty theory of poetic language, in which the poem is reductively equated with the verbal medium per se.<BR/><BR/>2) The Chicago critics addressed this problem long ago, and pointed toward an alternative notion of poetics, based on, very roughly speaking, "form as gesture".<BR/><BR/>3) The NAP anthology represents a very old element in American poetry - the "raw", untamed, iconoclastic, antinomian, unprofessional, independent, self-taught, visionary, contrarian, solitary stance of Poe, Whitman, & Dickinson. Akin to Montale's "superior dilettantism", it is irrevocably & permanently opposed to the professional & academic taming of literature - sanctioned quite formidably by the apology for the contemporary scene which you offer in this post.Henry Gouldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06763188178644726622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4014415529871703586.post-30944345302895634612008-03-02T10:15:00.000-06:002008-03-02T10:15:00.000-06:00Warm greetings to you and I hope that you are feel...Warm greetings to you and I hope that you are feeling better as March begins. As a matter of politeness I am just letting you know that I have read and reviewed "Orpheus in the Bronx". I have much enjoyed the hours spent reading this.A.H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08716463684593767622noreply@blogger.com